GREG_M

  Despite what Dodge and CT spend in advertising it has thus far got them no press in any of the major dailies , TV or radio. Your point did not go over my head its just that it was not valid , the facts speak for them selves. I abbreviated your post and broke it down to 5 basic points because you are rather long winded and rambling .

Most people that have been around racing for any length of time do not consider a venue that sits less then 15K as "massive" and your Bill Gates analogy is adle minded at best. As for your responce to my question about Vic Rauters lack of knowledge of motorsports , I don't know why anyone would find what a talking head on TV does galling but your Borat imitation would also fall into the same category as your Bill Gates analogy.

When you got to the point that you were correcting my missed apostrophe and the fact I did not connect the words back and ground I realized you had run out of gas so I was not surprised when you could not understand why the series would benefit from having someone with some knowledge of racing in Canada . As far as getting someone that "could show us how its done" They got this rube out of Yakima not Charlotte or Indianapolis where he was doing press at tracks that rival Varney Speedway.

  Your Don Biederman comment was ridiculous in trying to justify the pitiful purses this series is paying . Are you that far out of touch that you don't realize the last Busch East race (a comparable series ) paid triple what the NCTS did last weekend ?

Finally I did not put words into your mouth , I subtracted them as I said you are very long winded and rambling.

greg -- there is just no sense in continuing to post here ,,,, it does not matter what you say he will turn it around as he sees fit -- I am not sure why the admin has not done something about this yet -- I for one am way to busy to read bull@#&@ like that .. I am withdrawing from this board ... thanks ( I suggest others do not feed the trolls !! they sure are darn hungry )

  From Pincrest......." Are you that far out of touch that you don't realize the last Busch East race (a comparable series ) paid triple what the NCTS did last weekend ?"

Pincrest....You do know that the race in Iowa was a special promoted race with a higher purse then there normal races...!!!!.....If you want to compare then you need to look at the whole picture......

Here is the payout for the first BGNE race.....Looks pretty much the same if not worse as you go down the list....

Finish Start Car # Driver Hometown Car Laps Money Won Reason Out
1 1 20 Joey Logano Middletown, Conn. Joe Gibbs Driven Chevrolet 150 $7,000 
2 2 44 Sean Caisse Pelham, N.H. Casella Waste Systems Chevrolet 150 $4,200 
3 3 99 Bryon Chew Mattituck, N.Y. Huntin The World Chevrolet 150 $3,100 
4 5 83 Peyton Sellers Danville, Va. Clarance's Steakhouse Chevrolet 150 $2,500 
5 11 03 Rogelio Lopez Mexico City, Mexico Telmex Chevrolet 150 $2,000 
6 8 1 Jeffrey Earnhardt Mooresville, N.C. Chevrolet 150 $1,500 
7 16 61 Mike Olsen N. Haverhill, N.H. Little Trees Chevrolet 150 $1,200 
8 21 37 Michelle Theriault Bristol, Conn. Glock Chevrolet 150 $1,175 
9 7 57 John Freeman Huntersville, N.C. Freeman's Stereo & Video Chevrolet 150 $1,150 
10 20 3 John Wes Townley Watkinsville, Ga. Zaxby's Chevrolet 150 $1,125 
11 26 4 Jesus Hernandez Fresno, Calif. Waste Management Chevrolet 150 $1,100 
12 12 18 Marc Davis Mitchelville, Md. Joe Gibbs Driven Chevrolet 150 $1,000 
13 17 52 Jamie Hayes Norlina, N.C. Hendrick Honda Chevrolet 150 $975 
14 25 63 John Salemi Nashua, N.H. Salemi Racing Chevrolet 150 $955 
15 6 35 Eric Holmes Salida, Calif. Waste Management Recycle America Chevrolet 150 $925 
16 29 26 Scott Bouley Wolcott, Conn. Bouley Racing Chevrolet 150 $880 
17 13 43 Tim Schendel Sparta, Wis. Matthews Solocam Dodge 150 $850 
18 28 30 Jeff Anton Russell, Mass. Baran Institute of Technology Chevrolet 150 $825 
19 19 66 Chase Austin Eudora, Kan. HomeLife Communities Dodge 150 $800 
20 15 58 Richard Gould N. Brunswick, N.J. Nassau Painting Chevrolet 150 $800 
21 4 40 Matt Kobyluck Uncasville, Conn. Mohegan Sun Chevrolet 148 $800 
22 22 84 Dion Ciccarelli Severn, Md. Let Freedom Roar/Star Sales Chevrolet 147 $800 
23 9 91 Richard Jarvis Jr Ocean Pines, Md. Chevrolet 146 $800 
24 18 96 Mike Johnson Salisbury, Mass. Johnson Lumber Ford 144 $800 
25 27 2 Max Dumarey Gent, Belgium Bodycoach.net Dodge 144 $800 
26 14 21 German Quiroga Jr Mexico City, Mexico Telcel Chevrolet 128 $800 Accident
27 24 50 Todd Peck Glendale, Penn. Addiction Chevrolet 124 $800 Accident
28 23 23 Casey Wyatt Newport News, Va. Chevrolet 114 $800 Accident
29 30 24 Patrick Dupree Saranac Lake, N.Y. Outback Steakhouse/Lindeman Wine Dodge 114 $800 Accident
30 10 22 Ruben Pardo Mexico City, Mexico Family Dollar Dodge 114 $800 Accident

And here is the second race which was a special combined East / Wesst race where the purses where higher because the cars had to travel a greater distance to race.....By the way.....Not a big difference here as well....????

Finish Start Car # Series Driver Hometown Car Laps Money Won Reason Out
1 1 44 E Sean Caisse Pelham, N.H. Casella Waste Systems Chevrolet 156 $9,410 
2 23 99 E Bryon Chew Mattituck, N.Y. Huntin The World Chevrolet 156 $4,860 
3 18 2 W Mike David Modesto, Calif. Bennett Lane Winery Ford 156 $3,960 
4 12 03 E Rogelio Lopez Mexico City, Mexico Telmex Chevrolet 156 $2,446 
5 5 61 E Mike Olsen N. Haverhill, N.H. Little Trees Chevrolet 156 $2,860 
6 11 83 E Peyton Sellers Danville, Va. Strutmasters.com Chevrolet 156 $1,600 
7 10 4 E Jesus Hernandez Fresno, Calif. Waste Management Chevrolet 156 $1,775 
8 16 66 W Justin Lofton Westmorland, Calif. Lofton Cattle/Cometic Ford 156 $1,503 
9 30 5 W Eric Hardin Anaheim, Calif. Alta Dena Dairy Chevrolet 156 $2,403 
10 19 37 E Michelle Theriault Bristol, Conn. Glock Chevrolet 156 $1,175 
11 9 52 E Jamie Hayes Norlina, N.C. J.L. Hendrick Chevrolet 156 $1,100 
12 17 40 E Matt Kobyluck Uncasville, Conn. Mohegan Sun Chevrolet 156 $1,985 
13 14 35 E Eric Holmes Salida, Calif. Waste Management Recycle America Chevrolet 156 $1,050 
14 29 30 E Jeff Anton Russell, Mass. Baran Institute of Technology Chevrolet 156 $1,435 
15 24 9 W Mike Duncan Bakersfield, Calif. Lucas Oil Chevrolet 156 $1,360 
16 15 22 W Jason Bowles Ontario, Calif. Sunrise Ford/Turbo Torq Ford 156 $1,286 
17 7 43 E Tim Schendel Sparta, Wis. Matthews Solocam Dodge 156 $800 
18 26 54 W Tim Woods III Chino Hills, Calif. Chino Hills Ford Ford 156 $928 
19 2 16 W Brian Ickler San Diego, Calif. NAPA Auto Parts Chevrolet 156 $2,710 
20 4 10 E Joey Logano Middletown, Conn. Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil Chevrolet 156 $800 
21 27 32 E Ruben Pardo Mexico City, Mexico Supercuts Dodge 155 $928 
22 25 51 E Jonathan Smith Beacon Falls, Conn. Motion Racing Chevrolet 155 $1,082 
23 28 8 W Johnny Borneman Ramona, Calif. Twisted X Boots/Red Line Oil Ford 154 $1,210 
24 3 11 E Jeffrey Earnhardt Mooresville, N.C. DEI Chevrolet 145 $1,082 Accident
25 8 92 E Marc Davis Mitchelville, Md. Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil Chevrolet 144 $800 
26 22 88 W Alex Haase Las Vegas, Nev. Motorway Auto Group of El Paso Chevrolet 108 $1,210 
27 20 81 W Brett Thompson Jerome, Idaho Pets Best Insurance Chevrolet 67 $1,210 Clutch
28 13 18 W Moses Smith Tempe, Ariz. Hasa Pool Products Chevrolet 50 $928 Accident
29 21 14 W Andrew Myers Newport Beach, Calif. Toyota of Escondido Chevrolet 50 $1,210 Accident
30 6 91 E Richard Jarvis Jr Ocean Pines, Md. Herring Creek Buildings Chevrolet 37 $800 Engine

Here is your Iowa payout for the combined East / West Series race.....by the way it was held at a multi-million dollar race facility that I am sure can afford to pay a little more......Plus there was 25000 people in attendance......Oh yes.....This was also a special race with a higher then regular purse.....

Finish Start Car # Series Driver Hometown Car Laps Money Won Reason Out
1 2 10 E Joey Logano Middletown, Conn. Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil Chevrolet 200 $14,300 
2 1 33 W Kevin Harvick Bakersfield, Calif. Featherlite Coaches Chevrolet 200 $9,500 
3 23 4 E Jesus Hernandez Fresno, Calif. Waste Management Chevrolet 200 $5,000 
4 37 8 W Johnny Borneman Ramona, Calif. Twisted X Boots/Red Line Oil Ford 200 $5,945 
5 3 9 W Mike Duncan Bakersfield, Calif. Lucas Oil Chevrolet 200 $4,445 
6 17 66 W Justin Lofton Westmorland, Calif. Lofton Cattle/Cometic Ford 200 $3,350 
7 12 81 W Brett Thompson Jerome, Idaho Pets Best Insurance Chevrolet 200 $3,945 
8 7 30 E Jeff Anton Russell, Mass. Baran Institute of Technology Chevrolet 200 $3,345 
9 18 20 W Eric Richardson Bakersfield, Calif. GreenFrogRoastCo.com Chevrolet 200 $3,445 
10 31 31 W Tim McCreadie Watertown, N.Y. FERRIS/RCR Chevrolet 200 $2,000 
11 33 21 W Ryan Foster Anderson, Calif. Golden Gate Petroleum Chevrolet 200 $2,200 
12 11 63 E John Salemi Nashua, N.H. Milwaukee Tools/Express Signs Chevrolet 200 $2,000 
13 19 6 W David Mayhew Atascadero, Calif. HPS/Victory Circle/Attune Systems Chevrolet 200 $1,975 
14 27 51 E Jonathan Smith Beacon Falls, Conn. Motion Racing/Sign-A-Rama Chevrolet 200 $2,695 
15 39 5 W Eric Hardin Anaheim, Calif. Alta Dena Dairy Chevrolet 200 $1,925 
16 36 03 E Rogelio Lopez Mexico City, Mexico Telmex Chevrolet 200 $1,900 
17 34 71 W Daryl Harr St. Albert, AB WestWorld Computers Chevrolet 200 $1,875 
18 32 11 E Jeffrey Earnhardt Mooresville, N.C. DEI Chevrolet 200 $2,095 
19 8 16 W Brian Ickler San Diego, Calif. NAPA Auto Parts Chevrolet 200 $2,420 
20 24 2 W Mike David Modesto, Calif. Bennett Lane Winery Ford 199 $2,995 
21 42 57 E John Freeman Huntersville, N.C. Kenwood/Freeman's Stereo & Video Chevrolet 199 $2,785 
22 35 22 W Jason Bowles Ontario, Calif. Sunrise Ford/Turbo Torq Ford 199 $1,775 
23 28 1 W Jim Inglebright Fairfield, Calif. Jelly Belly Chevrolet 198 $2,345 
24 40 84 E Dion Ciccarelli Severn, Md. Operation Gratitude Chevrolet 198 $2,320 
25 9 14 W Andrew Myers Newport Beach, Calif. Toyota of Escondido Chevrolet 197 $2,295 
26 20 37 E Michelle Theriault Bristol, Conn. Glock, Inc. Chevrolet 197 $1,325 
27 41 88 W Alex Haase Las Vegas, Nev. Motorway Auto Group of El Paso Chevrolet 197 $2,245 
28 10 52 E Jamie Hayes Norlina, N.C. J.L. Hendrick Chevrolet 196 $1,300 
29 29 61 E Mike Olsen N. Haverhill, N.H. Little Trees Chevrolet 192 $2,845 
30 13 32 E Ruben Pardo Mexico City, Mexico Supercuts Dodge 175 $1,650 
31 22 29 W Scott Lynch Burley, Idaho Jasper Engines/Intertech Dodge 175 $1,650 Accident
32 25 7 E Pierre Bourque Ottawa, Ont. driving.ca Dodge 171 $2,245 Accident
33 14 46 W Jeff Barkshire Auburn, Wash. Centennial Batteries Chevrolet 166 $1,650 
34 5 92 E Marc Davis Mitchelville, Md. Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oil Chevrolet 165 $1,300 Vibration
35 26 91 E Richard Jarvis Jr Ocean City, Md. Herring Creek Blds/Hudson Chevrolet 150 $1,300 Vibration
36 21 40 E Matt Kobyluck Uncasville, Conn. Mohegan Sun Chevrolet 113 $2,245 Accident
37 6 44 E Sean Caisse Pelham, N.H. Casella Waste Systems Chevrolet 94 $2,245 Accident
38 16 35 E Eric Holmes Salida, Calif. Waste Management Recycle America Chevrolet 76 $1,300 Engine
39 38 99 E Bryon Chew Mattituck, N.Y. Huntin The World Chevrolet 51 $2,245 Clutch
40 4 83 E Peyton Sellers Danville, Va. Strutmasters.com Chevrolet 51 $1,300 Engine
41 30 43 E Tim Schendel Sparta, Wis. Matthews Solocam Dodge 9 $1,300 Accident
42 15 3 E John Wes Townley Watkinsville, Ga. Zaxby's/BB&T Chevrolet 3 $1,895 Accident

greg -- there is just no sense in continuing to post here ,,,, it does not matter what you say he will turn it around as he sees fit -- I am not sure why the admin has not done something about this yet -- I for one am way to busy to read bull@#&@ like that .. I am withdrawing from this board ... thanks ( I suggest others do not feed the trolls !! they sure are darn hungry )

KSr it is unfortunate you have chosen to not post here anymore on the #1 Canadian racing site rather then exchange opinions and ideas . I find most of your posts interesting even if I don't agree with many of them and you will be missed here as someone that I consider an informed poster with an alternative view of things to my own . Unlike your self I would never want to see anyone banned from this site because they disagree with me .