it would be good to see barrie go to friday nights,then both tracks would have good car counts,and lots of fans in the stands....
Two cents.....
I think that what barrie is doing is fair enough.
Yep, I agree, it's not a bad deal.
all the sunset honeymooners out there who think drivers should get in free don't realize if the money was coming out of dilleys or just one owners pocket probably nobody would be getting in for free. i think thats what it boils down to at this point
and it just shows how sunset really is just doing its own thing, not working with other tracks. i bet that the other track owners are sh*tting because its screwing them in the end because all the narrow minded people out there now think drivers should get in for free everywhere.<br><br>
What's narrow about Sunset? The track owners or the drivers? Nobody is forcing teams and drivers to run at Sunset... that should tell you something in itself. And if every track ran in the exactly same manner, do you really think that would make every track operator profitable and enable teams to be successful? I doubt it. One reality that everyone is not recognizing, there are fewer teams operating - regardless of costs - though to be sure that's one of the influences and reasons some teams have simply packed up.
I'm no expert, but its been my experience that teams and people go to places that are successful by working hard, being creative, taking risks and pushing its staff to work harder than anyone else. Be it a race track or your local pub, restaurant, whatever.... People go to places that offer the most for their hard earned money by delivering with consistent product with service and how they are treated. You can make up your own mind how each track ranks.
ever notice the money figures on the $50,000 shootout poster adds up only to like $28 grand?
see what $$ actually ends up getting paid out in the end.
You need to learn some math and marketing. Sunset isn't lying. It's total season purse + invitationals = $50,000 in potential payout money. They have never said otherwise. Really good marketing by WOM team.
i bet that if any pavement track in north america is turning a profit you can be damn sure that drivers are paying something to get in.
Yep, every track charges something. It all boils down to how much for each team / etc. Some tracks however, it's plain nuts. When you have a crew of 6 and another team has a crew of 3, is it honestly smart to charge the team that's got 6 guys and gals more to help that team out? It's one thing to say sure - fans should pay something 'extra' for a pit pass, but jeez louise... you wonder why it's an 'expensive' sport at the amateur ranks, let's all have a reality check. And let's be honest, the Four Fun class and mini-stock class practically finance the payouts of some tracks for ALL classes and they get paid almost nothing compared to the "main" events classes. To me that's significant risk in terms of car counts and future talent moving up.
Personally I don't think the majority of fans want to come watch 6 Late Models battle it out and that affects how many are in the stands. The less fans, the more reliant the promoters are gonna be on the back gate to pay out the purse. At the same time I don't think fans are gonna show up just to watch Four Funs and Mini-stocks either. Tell me I'm wrong... perhaps a track should ditch LLM's and run Thunders as their main event and run only 3 classes instead of four.
still no uniform rules for pavement racing in ontario is what people should be bitching about not paying to get into race.
100% agreed - and that's something that will take cooperation to figure out. Will it happen in our lifetime....hrmmm... but even with uniform rules, it's not likely to solve car counts - at any race track.
The 2011 racing season headline: Year that race teams influence fate and success of some race tracks health. Teams are in a pretty good position to negotiate this year - and I bet some do, which is gonna get weird with lots of rumors and complaints.
Shawn, make 20 bucks your minimum payout for your 13th place lol...Look what happened at Varney...``everyone come back to the gate and get your 20 bucks back`` .........if it was JUST crew and fans that had to do that, alot less aggrivation.
Uniform rules across the province, never gonna happen....to many cheifs in one room, not enough indians. Besides, half the drivers at a track, NEVER travel around anyways, die hards. Even the Stefko series had only 18-20 cars MAX, so just getting guys to travel to another track for shits n giggels, aint gonna happen....regardless of the ``rules package``. Pick a track and run at for the year, or join a touring series if you wanna run different tracks under a set rules package.
Friday nights for Barrie....YES! .....Why cant the owners see this ??? Look at the Kawartha-Peterborough model. If You cant beat them, work AROUND them, when the big track aint running. Certain guys would race Barrie Friday night, JUST to tune for Sunset Saturday, if they missed Wednesday practice...
I think the whole problem, on the Friday night thing, is that Barrie wants Sunset to race Friday. and Sunset wants Barrie to race Friday. Short track racing has always been a Saturday night thing. They feel that the big crowd (money) is Saturday. We as Drivers, Crew, and Fans, need to get the point across to them, that we will be there eather night.
Friday's ......
Getting a car ready for a Friday often backs up the schedule for a lot of people, meaning getting the car prepped moves from "Friday" to Thursday or earlier and work hours still remains a big issue - it's the biggest problem Kawartha has. I know a lot of guys that would race at Kawartha if the start time was moved to 7:00 - but even then, it's not like it would double their car count.
Barrie may have one advantage - Curfew. If Barrie ran its show starting later than Kawartha's (6 PM) then it could work - so long as there's enough teams are willing can capable of running two tracks....
I agree with you, Racing has in general been a "Saturday" thing...
Set up a poll here on CRO and ask the question...