Notifications

Clear all

rule changes next year (thunder) - lets try this again without name calling

Guest · 2008-11-11T13:03:28Z

Sorry I had to do this, but i will not let my threads be taken over with stupid comments that do nothing to add to the conversation. Now back what was being discussed without the kiddy commentsDerek the promotor from KD contacted me today. He assured me that the rules in regards to thunders were incorrect. I have removed the topic, to avoid false rumors getting around.For next year it will be:1. 602's allows with 100 lbs - 150 lbs penalty, builts as is2. Load bolts in the rear only.Thats it..For the races, the feautres will all be 30 laps, with a consi heat added to give more track time to those that didn't make the semi. A larger payout for the top 10 is also promised.The LLM/thunder/Challenger idea was from Mosport. I was told at AC about the rules as stated in the previous post, by Brian, the promotor for Mosport. I was also told by him Kawartha would be following these rules. Seems thats not the truth.Considering that, I wouldn't make any assumptions in regards to LLM at KD. Might be a good time to call the track if it affects you.Thanks,RossFrom Wade:Ross not jumping on you but gear rules are crap! 2.73 and 3.23 all I can say to that is GAY!! Gear/Shock rules suck good thing they don't apply to those who have a 9" and come to the invitationals but hey that's just my opinion!! I think most of you KD fellas are going to end up with the 602 they have the 2104 and 4412, they don't let the builts have nothing, shoulda gave them the same intake/carb package!!! 100lbs pffft, trust me Ross we seen this @ Flammy they'll get you down the straights!!From RossWouldn't knock the gear rule till you try it. Ran both the gear rule tracks this year with little wear to the engine. What beat the crap out of my engine was running Barrie, Sunset and Peterborough without the gear rule. Peterborough finished of my engine.I'm glad I don't have to run open gear, all its going to do is cost me in engine parts.602, don't buy the hype. I was not impressed at all at Flamborough, nor at Peterbourgh AC (yes I'm eating my words that they would be the dominate motor) Rusnell (sable no cam rule) was pulling on the 602's like he was 500 lbs lighter. Baker was keeping them behind them. The only reason you saw them pull down the straights is because you are looking at a torque motor. Get the gear right on them, and they will pull (see on the track at Flamborough) miss your gear (see AC) and they are a dog. Ironic that the 602 you so admire on the straights lives off a higher gear, much like the gear rule at KD and Mosport Now the second hype. Watching the built motor guys cry about 602's. Its funny. See Wade it goes back to what you said (and I admit I didn't figure it out till you said it) the 602 makes 350 hp with headers and a 4bbl, 310 ish with the 4412 and cast. So time to let the cat out of the bag. One car I ran with at KD was DYNO'd at 320 hp. I finished near him in points, and I could pull on him. Therefor, even I make more power than a 602, and there are alot of guys that pull on me. One fellow with monster motor (he cracked the throttle beside me one the outside at KD when I was hooked up and to the floor and pulled a 1/4 car instantly on me) claims he's be running a 602 next year. Sounds like a bluff if I ever heard one.So no I'm not buying a sealed engine to be 20 hp down to built engines that can be worked on.

Page 4 / 8 Prev Next

Last Post

RSS

Posts: 3382

Thayne

Nov 12, 2008 1:28 am

(@barrie97ps)

Famed Member

Joined: 20 years ago

I think the 602 would have to be expunged from the LLM before it came into use by the thunders at Barrie.

Posts: 1498

Thunder6

Nov 12, 2008 2:16 am

(@thunder6)

Noble Member

Joined: 19 years ago

Agreed!

The 602 is not the savior of TC in the province of Ontario. Like I said I wish for the class to be like it is now forever... and cost less. I can't really see that happening, kinda like a 6/49 win for me... ;D

Unfortunately some tracks are going to the 602 and it does not look good for the TC class here... It has great power for $3200... but between the move to LM setups and crates it won't help TC racing... Straight up gearing would be eliminated for one. TC is the tuner's class right now BTW... it has come tenfold from the street stock class it originated in. Bring in a entry level V8 truck class like Delaware has if you are worried about the economy of bringing 4 cyl racers up...

I think that we as TC racers should be more worried about the immenient drying up of Metric chassis... IMHO...

"Dont be BEECH! And as always comrades, have nice day" fpsrussia

Posts: 0

WadePeterson

Nov 12, 2008 12:10 pm

(@WadePeterson)

Joined: 1 second ago

Ok, so everyone seems to be in love with the 602 crate. To be honest, It's SH#T. The racing sucks. So we all line up for a 50 lap feature, about 6-8 laps later, after the shuffling it's follow the leader single file crap. This sport we all love, was built on the the BUILT MOTOR GUY. Plain n Simple. And now they want to take it all away. Sorry if I piss people off, but too bad. I want to sit at the fence on a Saturday night and watch somebody work the highline all night. And Wade I would love to see you run a 3.90 or a 3.73 at Kawartha, good luck with that. Dont do it Herb stick with the built. Crate Motor = SHIITE racing.

AMEN Brother if I want to race trains I'll go get my Conductors licence!!! I'm not sure our rule was regulate a 3.90/3.73 @ Kwartha but I wouldn't hessitate to try something in the 6.00 plus final range straight up! but I love RPM's!! I think if you were to allow the 2101 on the builts that run with the 602's you'd pretty well even them out IMHO

Also the 602 makes the same torque as HP I'm not positive about how far it drops with the 4412 and stock manifolds but I'm sure it does, I believe the number for a very stout built engine would be in that 280-290hp mark Kevin but we also have the ability to make it "Come to life" where we want via camshaft selection we can also opt for more torque or more HP, I'm positive that's why they past Herb by the end of the straights is that 10-15 more hp then us, Torque get's you up of the corner and moving and HP will carry you the rest hence why @ AC they didn't seem quite as effective Peterborough is not an HP track it's a torque track like Barrie and Sunset shorter straights where as Flammy has longer straights and KD they should really haul the mail down there!! the 602's have good balance but you can't play with them (Legally) and that always sucks take a good look at what past crate implements have done aslong as they don't mandate it I'm ok with it but the day the tell me I have to use one will be very very sad, I like built motors and I like the guys that build them (most of them anyhow) you don't need bags of HP to race short tracks! Torque is what you should be hunting for

Posts: 0

polishprince12

Nov 12, 2008 8:07 pm

(@polishprince12)

Joined: 1 second ago

Hey wade, may i suggest a truly powerful and reliable HOSKING mill for your new ride. they ARE proven powerplants.

Posts: 0

WadePeterson

Nov 12, 2008 8:21 pm

(@WadePeterson)

Joined: 1 second ago

Jim I believe I'll be going with the other H name

Page 4 / 8 Prev Next

Forum Statistics

95 Forums

25.6 K Topics

91.4 K Posts

10 Online

22 Members

Latest Post: New One Day Saturday Showcase for the Northeast Classic at New Hampshire Motor Speedway Our newest member: racer61 Recent Posts Unread Posts Tags

Forum Icons: Forum contains no unread posts Forum contains unread posts

Topic Icons: Not Replied Replied Active Hot Sticky Unapproved Solved Private Closed