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rule changes next year (thunder) - lets try this again without name calling

Guest · 2008-11-11T13:03:28Z

Sorry I had to do this, but i will not let my threads be taken over with stupid comments that do nothing to add to the conversation. Now back what was being discussed without the kiddy commentsDerek the promotor from KD contacted me today. He assured me that the rules in regards to thunders were incorrect. I have removed the topic, to avoid false rumors getting around.For next year it will be:1. 602's allows with 100 lbs - 150 lbs penalty, builts as is2. Load bolts in the rear only.Thats it..For the races, the feautres will all be 30 laps, with a consi heat added to give more track time to those that didn't make the semi. A larger payout for the top 10 is also promised.The LLM/thunder/Challenger idea was from Mosport. I was told at AC about the rules as stated in the previous post, by Brian, the promotor for Mosport. I was also told by him Kawartha would be following these rules. Seems thats not the truth.Considering that, I wouldn't make any assumptions in regards to LLM at KD. Might be a good time to call the track if it affects you.Thanks,RossFrom Wade:Ross not jumping on you but gear rules are crap! 2.73 and 3.23 all I can say to that is GAY!! Gear/Shock rules suck good thing they don't apply to those who have a 9" and come to the invitationals but hey that's just my opinion!! I think most of you KD fellas are going to end up with the 602 they have the 2104 and 4412, they don't let the builts have nothing, shoulda gave them the same intake/carb package!!! 100lbs pffft, trust me Ross we seen this @ Flammy they'll get you down the straights!!From RossWouldn't knock the gear rule till you try it. Ran both the gear rule tracks this year with little wear to the engine. What beat the crap out of my engine was running Barrie, Sunset and Peterborough without the gear rule. Peterborough finished of my engine.I'm glad I don't have to run open gear, all its going to do is cost me in engine parts.602, don't buy the hype. I was not impressed at all at Flamborough, nor at Peterbourgh AC (yes I'm eating my words that they would be the dominate motor) Rusnell (sable no cam rule) was pulling on the 602's like he was 500 lbs lighter. Baker was keeping them behind them. The only reason you saw them pull down the straights is because you are looking at a torque motor. Get the gear right on them, and they will pull (see on the track at Flamborough) miss your gear (see AC) and they are a dog. Ironic that the 602 you so admire on the straights lives off a higher gear, much like the gear rule at KD and Mosport Now the second hype. Watching the built motor guys cry about 602's. Its funny. See Wade it goes back to what you said (and I admit I didn't figure it out till you said it) the 602 makes 350 hp with headers and a 4bbl, 310 ish with the 4412 and cast. So time to let the cat out of the bag. One car I ran with at KD was DYNO'd at 320 hp. I finished near him in points, and I could pull on him. Therefor, even I make more power than a 602, and there are alot of guys that pull on me. One fellow with monster motor (he cracked the throttle beside me one the outside at KD when I was hooked up and to the floor and pulled a 1/4 car instantly on me) claims he's be running a 602 next year. Sounds like a bluff if I ever heard one.So no I'm not buying a sealed engine to be 20 hp down to built engines that can be worked on.

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Thayne

Nov 11, 2008 8:48 pm

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Well since Herb is saying he got hunted down in 3 laps what you are saying Ross makes no sense...I think it is safe to say herb is down atleast 30 to the 602

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thunder88

Nov 11, 2008 9:04 pm

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He was at my right rear quarter coming out of the corner and was a car length ahead of me at the end of the straight, I think if you did your homework and talk to guys that run them it is worth it, we definity would be purchasing one

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Scott

Nov 11, 2008 11:38 pm

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Ok, so everyone seems to be in love with the 602 crate. To be honest, It's SH#T. The racing sucks. So we all line up for a 50 lap feature, about 6-8 laps later, after the shuffling it's follow the leader single file crap. This sport we all love, was built on the the BUILT MOTOR GUY. Plain n Simple. And now they want to take it all away. Sorry if I piss people off, but too bad. I want to sit at the fence on a Saturday night and watch somebody work the highline all night. And Wade I would love to see you run a 3.90 or a 3.73 at Kawartha, good luck with that. Dont do it Herb stick with the built. Crate Motor = SHIITE racing.

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Thunder6

Nov 12, 2008 12:04 am

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I hear what you're saying Scott, I don't think much of freight train racing either.

But I think you have to admit $3200 is a good deal for 323 at the flexplate. I think the issue with two line racing is setup myself, but I know some will argue with me.

I don't like the idea of the 602, but given the option, in our class, if it was to come to the TC it would save a little in the engine dept.

I guess what I'm saying in my weird convoluted way is that I like saving money anywhere I can... but I wouldn't want to sacrifice the best racing division around to save $700 or $1700 or $2700 on engines.

I like the built and I would rather not see the 602 come to TC. Although I might make an investment in one for Invi's ;D

"Dont be BEECH! And as always comrades, have nice day" fpsrussia

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Thunder6

Nov 12, 2008 12:11 am

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Well since Herb is saying he got hunted down in 3 laps what you are saying Ross makes no sense...I think it is safe to say herb is down atleast 30 to the 602

You'd be awful close there Thayne if not short by a little. There is no way anyone is making anywhere near 300. I've thrown out the number 280 and I would be willing to bet money on that before hitting the dyno. Just catch me before racing season starts because I'm perpetually broke during the summer... ;D

The 602 cars at A/C had loads of power... they just couldn't get them to turn (and rightly so, it's not their track) but they were getting there by the Sunday.

"Dont be BEECH! And as always comrades, have nice day" fpsrussia

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