Last but not least- if you have a couple of guys in your series that win because of illegal motors and you don't have the money to post a engine claim.... just wreck the guy !!.
Motors mean nothing when it's stuffed in the wall.
Now thats old school LOL.
You make all good points but I am dealing in the here and now and I don't think that hill3 is being realistic with the dyno every crate that seems a bit to fast. As far as any tech man with half a brain being able to tell when a crate has been messed with I am not buying it . I have been accused on here of only having half a brain several times and I don't think I could tell a crate that has been apart had a nice valve job maybe massage the head a bit and put back together with replacement crate bolts .
Now that I have seen what I have and know what I do I think the credibility of running crates because they are going to be all the same very questionable.
Thunder6 I believe you are talking about the BSW thunder car crate program which is not very good, everyone else is talking about the LM & LLM crate program. I think the LLM crates at Barrie have been great, it has not been single file racing at Barrie & the biggest reason is the track or progressive banking. The motor is cheap & gives you almost no problems. If it was not for the crates I know we would not be in the LLM class & there are many others at Barrie who would be in the same boat. At Sunset the leader in points runs a built motor, yes, but you could put a thunder motor in Morrow's car & he would win with it. I know many at Sunset are thinking about going to the crate after seeing how well Tommy gets around the track.
pc. maybe not realistic,but it is a fact. also if your tech person cannot catch this then you have the wrong tech person. we put a stop watch on the crate cars and monitor them, a dyno pull cost is roughly the same as a teardown,less in fact when you include the cost a the tamper proof bolts.aaaaaaaaaaaa why bother you are secure inside you box. the death of short track racing in Canada is not going to come from without, it will come from within because of attitudes that will not change,think outside the box pc. there is a whole world out there that might help save the sport.
Crate motors are good for racing. The alternative is spend, spend, spend. The tracks and racers like and want crate motors.
Pinecrest ........... post on here who has the cheater bolts.
The solution is very simple (in my simple mind) catch one cheated crate motor, ban the racer, post his name, and continue to look for cheating.
Who in Ontario has dyno facilities that could on a Monday and Tuesday check 5 motors and have them ready for return to the racers Wed. morning??? AP in Windsor.
Heres another off the wall idea, all crate motors are equal right, next race night after the feature the first 5 cars pull their motors and car 1's motor goes home with car 2, car 2's motor goes home with car 3, etc until car 5's motor goes home with car 1.
SRAMA
someone in Niagara has the dyno too as Merrittville staff pulled the 3 crates of the top finishing sportmen class after one weekly June race and returned them within 24 hrs. The crate has been the saviour of the DIRT sportsman division. Dirt had some big suspensions this year for tampering also. Nice to know that you can run weekly on $25.00 worth of pump gas and with DIRT's rules, a car that is legal at Oshweken is legal at Orange County, NY 500 miles away. We can't get late model tracks 80 miles apart to agree on a set of rules!