^ The last post in this thread was over 4 years ago.........

The problem still exists, who cares how old the topic or thread is?

i think that may have been his point.......the fact that not much has changed

The fact that a lot of the original posters may not be around anymore
The fact that no one is going to read back 4 pages of stuff that is 4 years old
The fact that a new thread about this has recently been started
We don't need 3 threads going about the same thing like usually happens on here (ex, Racing from Sunset Sept xx, 2011)

  ^ The last post in this thread was over 4 years ago.........

My suggestions aren't....... ;D

Another addition to penalizing the driver/owner, would be to go after the builders.

Bit hard to do when that builder is an approved engine source in the rule book, and also is (was) a sponsor of a series you run.

OUCH!!!!

At our track a lot of people use crates actually I think most people use crates.