Ok, so let's try this again.

Basically the gist of this thread is about how Super Stock/Thunder Car is getting away from being a builder's class and getting closer to the sort of class that you have to "buy" into.

However there seems to be some guys, like Pee Wee Smith who are doing just fine with stuff they built, and guys like Streetstocker 33 saying they've built for next year with no tech issues.

Obviously, the face of SS is changing/has changed, at all tracks and not just Delly (didn't Barrie go to a "next gen" thundercar a few years ago?) and the question is, can the little guy still fight for wins in what is supposed to be a middle tier division?

And what exactly is the professional chassis builder's role in all of this?

Think we can keep it civil?

I may be wrong but pee wee's car was originally built by Dan Mongahan and mccolls was the one who built the chassis. Dan just put all the bolt on parts on it. It was the first camaro built after Delaware opened the rules to let camaro clip cars run with the super stocks. He then sold it to JR Fitzpatrick. And I beleive pee wee bought it from him.

I stopped in my buddy's shop today to check out his own bult super stock (very nice). Chassy is based off mccall. The question is did he save any money building it himself? probably not, but he has the satisfaction of knowing what he has and like jwo mentioned earlier the time he spent with his son building it is priceless The cool thing about this build is, it was done with minimal tools (tube bender, chop saw, welder,etc.)The point is with a little bit of knowledge, determination and money these cars can still be built by the average racer - just my 2 cents, Mike

Yes Pee Wee's car is a McColl chassis. Back then if you brought him everything prepped and ready to go it I was quoted $4500 to build a car that would roll back to my shop for completion. The car was in my shop for most part of a year and we did allot of work on it. It most definitely is a nice piece.
My car was jigged and squared at CSC and they provided all the material to finish it. Now that being said the rules were completely ridiculous back then, which in turn drove up the costs even higher because of the rules involving utilization of stock parts. Reworking all that shitty rusty metal and cleaning it up is very time consuming and can get expensive.
The price of donor cars went through the roof after scrap hit $320 a ton. Suddenly everything went to scrap metal yards, the wreckers even cleaned house.
All of this leads to where we are now...fabricated cars. The clips I bought a couple of years ago were $50 now the are $300, before blasting and rework. But try and find a good source of decent stuff when guys want over $1000 for donor cars.
It's my opinion the division needs a base platform for all components, chassis, bodies, and most definitely drive line. A spec for everything and that should be adhered to for ALL the players. The issue is cost and the rules do not lend them selves to cost effective racing.
I still think there is room for the guys coming in with home-built cars but they need some rules changes that swings home built back to where it is cost effective to do build at home with results.

Dude it is a professionally built car but thats how fast things changed, and to your argument i say Bullshit. It is very close to pee wee's car and not far off from the 44 either and they do not resemble what you have described? so where are you going?
Delaware might as well shut the division down and open it to limited lates...why bother even call it Super Stock then? The guy that started this post asked what the ball park would be to get in....Where the hell are you going with sauble car?