Varney (and flamboro) need to allow 16v. They dont neccessarily have to let them race against the stock 4/ministocks. But to ignore and dismiss 16v cars is foolish and short sighted.They will be a major part in the future of racing,better to embrace them now than fall further behind.

The last thing Varney needs is to create ANOTHER division. We already have 6 that we try desparately to fill the fields in. I dont believe 16v is the only answer in this debate.As more tracks allow them, this creates an opportunity for Varney and Flamboro. While our counts are down, flamboro doesnt seem too worried as they started 24 minis in the feature the last time I was there and, they even ran a consi. They probably had 30 mini stocks show up that night. Not too bad for a track that needs to get into the modern era according to this thread. Varney consistently sees about 20 minis show up on a regular race night.

you want to increase car counts, fix the bloody economy. dont find yet another class to ruin by over pricing the crap out of it.

suggesting Varney run 16 valves is hypocrisy. We ran two invitationals this past summer for 16v cars to come and test the waters and all of three cars showed up. If you expect us to conform for three dudes....think again.

Varneys low car counts are not due to drivers jumping to other tracks. In fact, if you went through the registered drivers list at the other area tracks, you will find that varney has lost maybe 6 or 7 cars to other tracks. We have also gained 6 or 7 cars from other tracks. The drivers you used to see at Varney 5 years ago that you dont now, cant afford it. Bottom line. Fix the economy, you will see car counts increase.

Crying for varney to allow 16valve just sounds like sour grapes to me. Ive also found that the guys making the most noise about varney allowing 16valve cars have no intention of coming and running at varney anyway so, whats the point.

just another thing to get online and whine about.

Ok, so thunders are completely dead at Varney, street stocks have consistently shrunk for years, late models and mods are stagnant. Why not allow 16v and let them run with street stocks, the lap times/race pace should be very close. Maybe in a couple of years if the 16v  count grows then they can turn into a viable class.

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We ran two invitationals this past summer for 16v cars to come and test the waters and all of three cars showed up. :quote
The 16v neon that was from Barrie ran very competetive with the top cars at Varney. So why not allow neons,maybe 2 or 3 will show up and increase the car count? How is that a bad thing?

If there is a fear of 16v coming in and dominating, then specify exactly what makes/models are allowed, post the specs that they have to conform to right in the rules package.
What i really dont understand is why are people so unwilling to try to do something outside the box to try to boost car counts?
The status quo is not working and has not been working for many years.You cannot control the economy so you better look at other areas that you can control.

Btw, I currently field two 12v ministocks,allowing 16v would actually be a bad thing for my personal racing program. However if it will help the long term future of short track racing then I am all for it,even if it means my stuff becomes obsolete.

Starting up the Enduro this year was, I think, a very good first step.I hope they are back in 2012 and beyond. But it also creates a small  problem involving 16v cars.
16v are allowed in the enduro. So if someone runs an enduro car but decides they want to move up a class but wants to run the same type of car, what do they do? Buy all new stuff ? Too expensive. Get an old Monte and build a street stock? Cant find old Monte`s. Buy a thunder? Not running at Varney.
See where I am going here?

Allowing the 16v 4cyls to run with the street stock would make a better race with more cars yes for sure, a great idea that way.  Only issue:

Safety.

I was running the special on night in September, and in practice I didnt feel so hot about being beside 3,300lb full frame street stocks while I was in a smaller unibody car that was at least 900lbs to its junior.  Some of those street stocks noses have a big ass bumper that is in line with the top of the hood on some neons LOL.

The street stocks started the year weighing 3100 lbs.Mid year they switched to the hoosier tire and added 200 lbs.They could easily be scaled back to 3000-3100 lbs. When I suggested 16v running with street stocks, I should specify twin cam 16v, weigh them at 2600-2700 lbs,putting both types of cars in the ballpark weightwise, race pace of both types of cars should be very close. Heck, while on this subject, what about including v-6  in the debate?
Just spitballin an idea here, I am sure there are many pros and cons to it.Might be one way to get more cars out.

Last point, bumper heights can be altered or standardized relatively easy.I have had the same safety concerns over the years but If the weights can be made close that is a more pressing concern. As it is now we have some minis near 2700 lbs and others around 2200 lbs.

BTW for all the 16v haters, do you not realize that 99.9% of all street stocks/thunders/LLM/LM/SLM are 16v cars?