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 JAMR
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Pure stock, yes sir. You are right the safety equipment would be the most costly parts of these trucks and that's the killer of all the entry level classes. The safety equipment would eat up most if not all of the $1000 claim money. But you can't run the 1/2 mile without it. What about running down the front straight and back up the pit lane. To much of a bottleneck at the turns?? Probably.  ???  Everybody keeps firing out the ideas.


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I'm all for an entry level class at Delaware, I really don't feel the Chaos cars ARE one, not in the traditional sense anyway.  But are we talking about racing on the 1/2 mile?  That might be a bit much for "mini" cars like that... and the logistics of clearing out the pits so they can race on the infield on a Friday night I don't think is feasible either....  And if THAT'S the case, they race another day and.... That basically just means the Jcars again anyway...

So if you mean a pure stock 4 cylinder truck class (or something like that), are you suggesting they run it on the infield, or the full track?  If it's the full track, you're getting into safety equipment that might not be "affordable" anymore... Which is the big argument, I think.

Tigeraid: the Jcar Truck 13hp/ can put out 18 HP. Mini truck has run at Barrie,Sauble Beach,and Sunset with success. These tracks are full 1/4 & 3/8 tracks. For got Varney as well.
Jcar have also considered Delaware they are just too fast for the inside track. The 1/2 mile with gear changes would be too fast for that track at 800 pounds + and one axle disc brake. Four wheel brake system might do the trick.The cars who run  Wed Delaware are not suspension like the Mini trucks that are very close to the big guys in set up. I am involved with a Late Model you would be surprized how close we are to that truck with the LM.
Well people are thinking about different classes the touring Legends
might be worth a look they are quick a lot of people might enjoy there looks some where in a Delaware program. K Downs uses them on spot nights.


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I like the Mini truck idea, Build into the enduro show. The enduro is great but the cost ot be competitive sure looks like it has gotten out of hand.
Mini trucks are doing well at many state side tracks


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Read the entire thread. I have a couple of questions. What do we consider as entry level ? Cost or driving experience? Probably both to many. Karts have been around for a very LONG time and have their own clubs, etc. Most Kart organisations also tend to 'steer' towards road course layouts. Karts are expensive as has been posted already. A friend of mine has as much in his KART engine as a Chevy 602 CRATE motor! What I like about Karts is you can load up in the back of a pick up and go just about anywhere. Don't need a fancy trailer etc, but you know what... trailers are everywhere. Spending 10+ grand on karts is becoming the norm.... and some KART classes are just stupid fast... we're talking speeds that just make your head spin and you're butt is 3" off the ground.

Circle track is a one trick pony. Four Funs and Mini-Stock are probably the best definition of entry level - but as has been said already, any format of oval track racing can get expensive in a hurry! - but it doesn't have to be. Safety has to rank the most important element in entry level and Delaware has two tracks. But does management really want to have both running on the same night? Ugh, nightmare if you ask me. Everyone ideas in thread are really good, I just don't know if there's any one good answer to entry level.

Entry level for:

Driving oval track: Four Fun - pretty cheap racing if managed with a good rule set AND safety. You can probably crash a car and still find another one to race and not break the bank...if you have 30 hours a week to "work" to race!

Driving Competitive - Mini-Stock - faster, still relatively cheap (hahahahhaa I can hear the complaints now!)

After that - then the climb begins and it can be steep!

"stock car" might be the 3/4 scale cars or Legends.
Competitive - Thunder / Mini-Truck / Full size truck, but costs are skyrocketing....
On the edge of costs are no object : LLM (but you can pack it in without going totally broke..well maybe)
You have more money than anyone else: LM
You have more money than anyone else AND can do it twice: Super Late's

I had a 16 yr old teen come up to me this weekend to help out while I was at Sunset. I was there for fun - so was he and he regularly helps out another team there but unfortunately Kevin's Cornelius' motor blew. He loves racing and showed up at the track anyway. He wants to get into Four Fun. Perfect age to get into racing and begin somewhere. In between heat races, feature and post race we talked about the costs. It started to add up in his mind. Explained to him that it doesn't have to be expensive, but the initial costs can appear staggering when part time jobs are paying $8.00 / hr and there's school to worry about. His Dad shows up and we start tasking out what's involved in time, parts, tools, etc. Both are into it, but it's going to be up to the young man to figure out if he's got the determination to save up the money to get started and personally  think he will. I have to ask what you guys think the starting budget in today's times are, to get into Four Fun's / Mini-Stock are if you literately start with nothing, except for some basic hand tools and maybe a donated 4 cylinder car from an Auto Wrecker. I know you can get used tow-dolly's from U-Haul for a decent deal. I don't have a clue what brakes, clutches and fuel injectors cost these days for this class these days.....

But can a start up cost less than $2000.00 ? Given what I've described above?


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Read the entire thread. I have a couple of questions. What do we consider as entry level ? Cost or driving experience? Probably both to many. Karts have been around for a very LONG time and have their own clubs, etc. Most Kart organisations also tend to 'steer' towards road course layouts. Karts are expensive as has been posted already. A friend of mine has as much in his KART engine as a Chevy 602 CRATE motor! What I like about Karts is you can load up in the back of a pick up and go just about anywhere. Don't need a fancy trailer etc, but you know what... trailers are everywhere. Spending 10+ grand on karts is becoming the norm.... and some KART classes are just stupid fast... we're talking speeds that just make your head spin and you're butt is 3" off the ground.

Circle track is a one trick pony. Four Funs and Mini-Stock are probably the best definition of entry level - but as has been said already, any format of oval track racing can get expensive in a hurry! - but it doesn't have to be. Safety has to rank the most important element in entry level and Delaware has two tracks. But does management really want to have both running on the same night? Ugh, nightmare if you ask me. Everyone ideas in thread are really good, I just don't know if there's any one good answer to entry level.

Entry level for:

Driving oval track: Four Fun - pretty cheap racing if managed with a good rule set AND safety. You can probably crash a car and still find another one to race and not break the bank...if you have 30 hours a week to "work" to race!

Driving Competitive - Mini-Stock - faster, still relatively cheap (hahahahhaa I can hear the complaints now!)

After that - then the climb begins and it can be steep!

"stock car" might be the 3/4 scale cars or Legends.
Competitive - Thunder / Mini-Truck / Full size truck, but costs are skyrocketing....
On the edge of costs are no object : LLM (but you can pack it in without going totally broke..well maybe)
You have more money than anyone else: LM
You have more money than anyone else AND can do it twice: Super Late's

I had a 16 yr old teen come up to me this weekend to help out while I was at Sunset. I was there for fun - so was he and he regularly helps out another team there but unfortunately Kevin's Cornelius' motor blew. He loves racing and showed up at the track anyway. He wants to get into Four Fun. Perfect age to get into racing and begin somewhere. In between heat races, feature and post race we talked about the costs. It started to add up in his mind. Explained to him that it doesn't have to be expensive, but the initial costs can appear staggering when part time jobs are paying $8.00 / hr and there's school to worry about. His Dad shows up and we start tasking out what's involved in time, parts, tools, etc. Both are into it, but it's going to be up to the young man to figure out if he's got the determination to save up the money to get started and personally  think he will. I have to ask what you guys think the starting budget in today's times are, to get into Four Fun's / Mini-Stock are if you literately start with nothing, except for some basic hand tools and maybe a donated 4 cylinder car from an Auto Wrecker. I know you can get used tow-dolly's from U-Haul for a decent deal. I don't have a clue what brakes, clutches and fuel injectors cost these days for this class these days.....

But can a start up cost less than $2000.00 ? Given what I've described above?

Not sure it was Westley Motorsports who put up thread on race car border crossings could not find again.. Sorry if I cut into thread. Was very informative indeed. I would like to give you an addition to what the tracks can do if they want to be of assistance in this area. See the South Buxton Raceway look under the heading Drivers tarrifs. You will see what a track can do to help smooth out the operation. I think this is knowing how cover the bases at a race track if you are interested in attracting the best in competition.


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