You know back in the 90's Peterborough ran a very good show with the Thunder and challenger divisions.  The thunders back then ran 2 features there were so many cars on a reg basis.  Very stock and alo of fun.  This my friends was racing as you had no load bolts whatsoever on thunder and the only setup you could do was tire pressure and a little stagger.  This is what I would like to see.

I guess I am the only one that kinda likes it the way it is? We had lots of different rules come together this year and there wasnt a huge difference...theres minor ones that mkae the difference here and there...but I dont think it is so broken that we have to split the classes....jmo

No you aren't the only one. But it's too late.

Too late for what?

I think the issue here is that old style thunders are now obsolete.
If you have a car with 45-47 percent rear weight, factory rear end housing with small brakes, high rollcage and center of gravity with unaltered rear mounting points and no bent spindles or front end parts, you are going to run at the back.
I think the only exception would be Jim  😉 ;D

In order to run at the front with an old car, you would have to spend large dollars to change all the mounting points (yes, people change the mounting points :o), buy a rear housing, do the bumpsteer (mix and match front end parts, bend centerlinks and idler arms), re engineer the rear clip for rear weight etc etc etc.
most guys would just get out of it (see charlie smith) and you would still have a car with 10% higher Cg and body roll to match, needing heavier springs, shock settings and terrible rear weight transfer. So you still probably wouldnt do much.

Jim or Thayne say, hey the class is fine, but you guys ran up front every night. Think how much money the 01,92,67,21,31,59 or 43 would have to spend to run consistently in the top 3.
Some of them run out front intermittantly, but the tires go away faster with old style cars burning tires up with no rear weight or shoving the nose with no bumpsteer.

So what happens to those guys? will they spend 5 grand plus to change all those things? or will they just pack it in?
If the class was split, challenger, pro thunder car whatever, the true thunder cars would have a class where they could run with other true thunder cars (not the thinley veiled challenger we have now)

And i think you would have the benifit of pulling some old uncompetitive thunders AND challengers out of barns and garages.

If the track is interested in creating an outlaw thunder class, just call it challenger, put them on the recaps, give them front load bolts and out board shocks, and hit a weight penalty for three link and panhard and add a moderate engine setback and rams horn manifolds or spec headers with 2 1/4 pipe. you guys are already getting unlimited cams with discs and floaters.

Leave the real thunders at 410 lift cams, put them on BFG radials (youll never break a metric rear end with street tires) and PRO spec shocks with a 47% rear 52% left weight rule. current cars with load bolts have 1 night, then you weld the bolts. You cant really go back on the aluminum intake, but you can put a rochestor with an adaptor on those intakes

The track is concerened with getting more cars, THAT is how you would get them

great post bud, but do you think there are enough to have two classes with 15 cars the first night? I dont wanna race 7 guys......thats my concern

I think the issue here is that old style thunders are now obsolete.
If you have a car with 45-47 percent rear weight, factory rear end housing with small brakes, high rollcage and center of gravity with unaltered rear mounting points and no bent spindles or front end parts, you are going to run at the back.
I think the only exception would be Jim  😉 ;D

In order to run at the front with an old car, you would have to spend large dollars to change all the mounting points (yes, people change the mounting points :o), buy a rear housing, do the bumpsteer (mix and match front end parts, bend centerlinks and idler arms), re engineer the rear clip for rear weight etc etc etc.
most guys would just get out of it (see charlie smith) and you would still have a car with 10% higher Cg and body roll to match, needing heavier springs, shock settings and terrible rear weight transfer. So you still probably wouldnt do much.

Jim or Thayne say, hey the class is fine, but you guys ran up front every night. Think how much money the 01,92,67,21,31,59 or 43 would have to spend to run consistently in the top 3.
Some of them run out front intermittantly, but the tires go away faster with old style cars burning tires up with no rear weight or shoving the nose with no bumpsteer.

So what happens to those guys? will they spend 5 grand plus to change all those things? or will they just pack it in?
If the class was split, challenger, pro thunder car whatever, the true thunder cars would have a class where they could run with other true thunder cars (not the thinley veiled challenger we have now)

And i think you would have the benifit of pulling some old uncompetitive thunders AND challengers out of barns and garages.

If the track is interested in creating an outlaw thunder class, just call it challenger, put them on the recaps, give them front load bolts and out board shocks, and hit a weight penalty for three link and panhard and add a moderate engine setback and rams horn manifolds or spec headers with 2 1/4 pipe. you guys are already getting unlimited cams with discs and floaters.

Leave the real thunders at 410 lift cams, put them on BFG radials (youll never break a metric rear end with street tires) and PRO spec shocks with a 47% rear 52% left weight rule. current cars with load bolts have 1 night, then you weld the bolts. You cant really go back on the aluminum intake, but you can put a rochestor with an adaptor on those intakes

The track is concerened with getting more cars, THAT is how you would get them

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