haha...my thoughts exaclty...

lmao...Jeff...well heres how I see it...We at Barrie, just like every other home track is gonna look out for our own over others...thats just the lay of the land...noone was put on the hook on purpose, but if u ahve to go down or up and a home car is ont he inside and a foreign car on the outside..u go up...thats jsut the way it is....

Thayne I do believe that if you've got cars passing you on both sides you need to be spending more time working on the car and less time posting on message boards about who you'd rather run into 🙂

Not to mention how in the world you let your uncle send that most excellent potential tow vehicle and trailer all the way over here to us in Qatar :):):)

I read this thread all the way through its many twists and turns and thought I would throw my two cents in since the drivers meeting is coming up this weekend and I think some of this stuff maybe discussed there .

jarracings original point that rubbing is racing is correct and what this series is for the novice driver on a budget to try out stock ar racing have some fun and learn and perhaps move up a division if they find they like it . No one is having fun or learning anything if they are parked for bumping into someone . Incidental contact and a little rubbing should be fine and the same rule that applies in other divisions should apply in the FFs. If the rubbing turns into beating and bashing black flag the offenders for that race , if it escalates to the point where drivers are going after each other park them for the night.

To those that say you cant have any touching because of a lack of cages , I wonder if they have ever been to an enduro race full size or 4 cylinder where it is as many as 200 laps of beating and bashing in cars not as well prepared as your average FF . If your that afraid of being touched stock car racing may not be for you . I saw some of the races where drivers were black flagged for a little rubbing but I never saw any damage resulting to any of the cars involved that I could not repair in 15 minutes with a big hammer and some 200 mph tape , so the you will have to spend the whole week fixing them theory thing doesn't wash. If your going to run this class you would be advised to have a spare fender or two and maybe an extra rad laying around that's just the nature of stock car racing .

The biggest problem I see for this class so far is the inconsistency of the officials .

I take it you don't actually race a Four Fun. These cars get up to 100 Km's and when and if you hit it isn't always a fender that can be banged out with a hammer. We had to replace a transmission this year due to an accidental bump that could of been avoided by er um not driving into the back of somebody... twice.

This is a great division to start out in. Simply rip around the track and make no contact. If you want contact move up a division.

As far as inconsistency in officiating goes I can see how it appears that way. I think what happen is that the drivers are given the beginning of the year to get the hang of things and are reminded of the no contact. After a few races it gets taken advantage of. I suspect the frequent black flags for those 2 weeks were to send a message to keep it clean. Next year I am sure this will be the one rule you will see that will be enforced as there is getting to be too many cars and too many new drivers.

I take it you don't actually race a Four Fun. These cars get up to 100 Km's

As far as inconsistency in officiating goes I can see how it appears that way.

No I don't actually race a Four Fun but I am actually old enough to have seen Sprint cars with out cages run at Terra Haute and Midgets with out cages run at the CNE and they all did some serious rubbing . As I said I am not advocating beating and bashing , I just don't want to see a black flag waved because someone pushes up into someone else coming off the corner in cars that lack enough camber or steering geometry to do anything but push like bull dozers.

It is not that it APPEARS to be inconsistency in the officiating this is what most veteran's at the track consider the biggest problem facing Sunset at this time . This problem is not unique to the FF division at Sunset since I think every driver in the top ten in the LM division has spoken to Glen about this problem.

Let them guys do a little racin when it looks to be getting a little rough first a warning then a black flag . You will find most guys will settle down after a warning and you also find some guys will never settle down no matter how the rules read.