ecotec's make about 140-145hp, not 175-200

you are right wyatt but after they have been they have been reprogramed, how much do they make then?

Rob who runs junk tiires.. how fast was Lance Foster at the invatational last year I believe it was somewhere near 16.4

even if they do program their ecus that doesnt give you a magical 50hp lol

the rules aren't bad, just a few anomalies that may get them in trouble.

dohc ecotechs  145hp  2500lbs
dohc neon        150 hp 2500lbs
sohc neon        135hp 2200lbs
sohc neon r/t    150 hp 2200lb
sohc nissan      145 hp 2700lbs
dohc nissan      150 hp 2700lb
dohc accuras      140 hp 2500lb
dohc nonvtec honda  135-140 hp?    2500lbs. not a ton of these came stock, most hot dohc are vtec
dohc vtec honda 130-200hp. not allowed
mustangs  open rules sorta hp???? 2200lb

so u can play ecu games and get a bit more well thats competition. not alot different than changing the jets in a carb and moving the distributor for timing, and it's cheap tuning so why outlaw it? it's not like you had to buy a 350 holley and a header for $$$, that's the real stupid $$$ rule. Mustangs are a wild card because money CAN buy you alot of hp (and how light can you get 'em too?), and neon r/t is obviously overlooked. There is no way one of the highest hp 4 cyl 16v  available should get to run 300 lbs lighter than the rest. and Butler being so dominant has hurt it for Nissans it seems