Hutterpower... I never said physical abuse - I said verbal abuse...big difference.
I know who you are and you know who I am so I will talk to you at the track about it.

Either way you look at it... It was a bad call on NASCAR's part, regardless if some Official was told to Cram It. Trust me we would have much sooner had anyone of the Richards standing there, and we would have still said Cram It.
That call will go down in the record books as the most stupid, protecting, favouring a driver, fixing the show, and kissing someones ass ever in Canadian Stock Car history.

The only thing good that could come out of this is if Gibbons wins the last race, and I
am sure if NASCAR ever wanted to say were sorry, they could orchestrate the win.
I'm not saying NASCAR is fixed, but it can sure help sway the finishing order.

Its amazing how much we all used to get along when this deal was CASCAR.
Here is wishing some things never changed !!

To B.A.R.

I'm still trying to figure out how you feel that using "Tow truck in a box" as a new sponsor is invalid??????????????  Were they in the series prior to NASCAR running the old CASCAR series, that would be a big NOPE!!!  Here's a couple more for you.  Ask Jason White if he would have been able to compete the full season on tour without the additional support he received from A & W.  He's already said that it was touch in go when I first talked to him at the opening event at Cayuga.  Ask Kerry Micks ( You know the guy you keep calling Cary) if he would have run the full season without the additional support of BDI this year.  You said you wanted a valid new sponsor that paid out more to a team since the change over.  That isn't possible since the economy is totally different and companies can not just throw money around in regards to sponsorship.  Plus no team announces the exact dollar amount they are receiving from a sponsor to the general public.  And in looking up the term "sponsorship" its defined as providing support in exchange for services.  Not the covering of all costs so that the winnings from an event are profit like you are making it out to be on here.  Each team that signs a sponsor to their car is getting funding in exchange for that company getting exposure in the market.  The company sponsoring a car is hoping that by paying the team to be on their car the team will be able to use that money to build a competitive car and have it run at the front so that everyone in attendance at a race will see their name and go out and buy that sponsors product. 

I'm so glad you brought up the issue of when I'm looking to buy decals do I think of BDI.  Until they signed on with Micks I had no idea they existed and my office is literally 5 blocks away from them in Markham.  And guess what I even went to them at Cayuga for the 2nd event to ask what products/services do they offer the general public and when I have my car redetailed there's an extremely good chance they will get my business.  Business which they would have never gotten until I saw them on a car in the series.  I've gone into Canadian Tire more this year in an effort to support the company hoping they see that the fans actually do care and want to support it and their company.

Do I like the fact that the teams aren't getting more support in the series through prize money and sponsorship funding?? Absolutely not, but that is also why I've made an attempt to contact companies to see if they would help sponsor teams in the series because I feel they deserve more support.  I've sent numerous emails to newspapers trying to get the series exposure.  I've emailed the NASCAR office in Canada suggesting a couple of things to try and make the series better for the fans which I did receive a reply that they would look into as they felt the ideas could work if done properly.

In the end I made comments to Farmer as they were blaming the situation on Richard Coughlin and using their definition of bringing sponsors to the series I gave my feedback with all valid points.  Obviously you and I will never agree so I'll leave this topic alone from now on as you feel you have more information then the rest of us.  We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold over the winter.  And in my opinion hopefully the series comes back with another strong showing again next year.

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...We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold over the winter.  And in my opinion hopefully the series comes back with another strong showing again next year.

a big +1!!
In my experience, those who come here and post definitive statements and make definitive claims are usually fairly full of definitive b.s. when time comes and goes and little or nothing of whatever they "...have on good authority..." comes to pass. My days of comment on this stuff aren't as common as they once were (along with so many other forum members) because my head got too sore from banging it against the wall in circular arguments, so that's all I have to say for now.

Bar my comment was not to you.  My comment was to Nascar Medic.  I know you said verbal.  He said physical.

DW... If we are going to talk facts- then lets do it.

First Off- Having NASCAR as a title to the series has not helped teams find sponsorship.
If you know of a single one...please tell us.
I mean a Sponsor that has only signed on with a Team because of the NASCAR name.

Tow Truck In a Box is based out of California, and they approached NASCAR about some Advertising opportunitys.
Nascar then lined them up with TSN to run commercials, signed them into the series as an Award Sponsor, set up a marketing program for the Cup end of the business, then with what was left over directed them to Steckley for sponsorship, which became the first team to receive help with sponsorships from Nascar to this point.

BDI was around as a Sponsor back in the CASCAR days, the last year or two of Cascar to be exact.
Your point of NTN leaving was not due to Gibbons or Dilley, and you mentioned Kelly Williams which is all news to me, but NTN left to advertise more in the USA as the company was bought out by the Japanese, and they wanted the money used for marketing in the USA.

Blue Streak parked when Turner did...you did get that one right !

As for your statements like A&W with White, yes they are new to the series, but so is Jason, and that deal I am guessing was something that White setup himself out West.
I will guarantee you the money they give Jason is very slim into the comparison of sponsoring Race Events or Marketing in partnership with NASCAR.

I am not saying that NASCAR doesn't help as a brand, as they are the leader in Motorsports
around the world, but I will say they could do allot more to intice company's to become involved more with Teams as Sponsors.
When I make statements about NASCAR that you don't like to hear, you know- the ones that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up- thats good- because that's the intent.
Its called lets make some noise and see if things could be changed for the better.

We race in the NASCAR Series, so we know what goes on.
We know how tuff it really is on Racers, Family's and Sponsors.
We see things from a totally different perspective then you do.

NASCAR is as high as you can go with a series in Canada, and they deserve the right to be called the best in the Industry.
All I am saying is, in order for them to make a go of it here in Canada, they better start paying the folks that actually put the show on- Because without racers...there are no race's.

Nascar needs to form a Marketing Department that is solely dedicated to the Teams, and with their marketing power they should be able to find sponsors that want to be on cars.
To make it fare to everyone, the teams should bid on the sponsorship being offered and the lowest bidder gets the sponsor for one year. The money left over in the program should go to outside marketing, and of course Nascar should get their cut to cover expenses and profits.

Yea- your right...some days I love Nascar and the next day I don't, but at least I am being honest by voicing my opinion instead of hiding around trees and talking about them behind their back like most Teams in this series.
My theory's have always been be up front and tell it like it is, and at the end of the day you will get a true result.
It's not always good- But it's a result !!

If everyone would like- I will just shut up about this stuff entirely, and that might be the best option as most people read what I write, as trashing NASCAR, and I am really not.
I am only pointing out the faults to what was promised, and has never happened, and I could be totally wrong as one day maybe this deal will start top make sence.
For now, I will just stop writing my opinions on this subject, and let people think what they want to think. I will sit idle on this whole deal and whatever you want to think- Go ahead and think it !!
Happy...good I am happy to.