Hi everyone i am doing this poll to get Delaware to realize that The Enduro's are Not Enduro Cars Anymore and Should be a different class.
We want to change how the enduro class is ruled to bring back the car count the way it used.
Of course there will still have to be safety rules strictly enforced.
But let everyone bring a car that i just stock no racing modifications and have a chance at a checker flag and a trophy.
Just have safe Fun .
Learning series
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"DudewheresmyCar"
I'll jump in as a speedway representative for a moment here with a few thoughts to help guide this discussion. The last time we had this thread opened, it ended up with a competitor giving me a stack of Old Enduro VHS tapes - - an eye opener for me, since I could hardly remember what the old enduro looked like.
Enduro was the first series I ever saw race, it would have to be around 1992 or so. The series has a very special place for me, even today. I'll never forget the thrills and excitement of those events. You're right when you say Enduro has changed - - and this is no secret. There's no need to wake the speedway up to it. The official name of the division, is, in fact, "Next Generation Enduro" although this name is not commonly used.
Rolling the division back to its original late 80s mid 90s rule set is simply not possible. Tech staff have been doing an excellent job trying to get things back on the rails with the series (increased tech, two full DQ's in the previous event, for example). There is much to be done, but racing economics tells us one thing: the “new enduro” will never be the “old enduro” again. The availability of the cars is not what it was in 1992, the vehicles themselves are better prepared today, and the race formats have changed. This is not in and of itself a bad thing. Where the trouble lies, is that some feel excluded from entry-level options.
This being said, the enduro is the best class of its kind anywhere, that I am aware and today - - I wouldn’t want to trade that class in and of itself for anything. The series has so much to be proud of in terms of the quality racing program that it puts on today - - a statement that could not have been made 10-years ago, when it would have been more apt to say "demolition derby on a 1/2-mile race track". If someone wants to go serious racing at an entry level, Enduro is the road for them and they’ll have a blast.
But this being said, with the caliber of the enduro higher than ever, there is a void that has been left. A void that there is a plan to fill. Here’s what you’re asking for:
- A series with bone-stock cars, with no modifications (aside from safety).
- A series that upholds safety standards .
- A series with ambitious car count goals.
- And I’ll add - - a series that has vehicles easily available to be found, cheap.
Whether ready to admit to it or not -- the series this thread is asking for already exists under another name, and that name is Chaos Cars. With the new formats having kicked in successfully (with obstacle cars), the character of the division is in line with precisely what you’re discussing. In fact, the mission statement in the front of the rulebook for the series reads almost identical to the post above: “The Delaware Speedway Ultimate Sandblasting & Coating Chaos Car division is designed to be a safety conscious,
low-cost, fun-level division.” http://www.delawarespeedway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011chaoscarsmarch2.pdf
The Enduro series as it is right now provides a real racing experience with a great deal of value. The Chaos Cars are in a position, with their recent format change and upcoming format changes to fill the hole for bone-stock entry level competition we keep discussing here.
If you haven’t looked at Chaos Cars in four years - - it’s time to look again. It is the division drivers keep asking for - - but don’t recognize, and is the fastest growing division at the speedway. Maybe people had a bad first impression four years ago when we only had 2 cars in the division… But that’s not the Chaos Cars of today. The chaos cars of today are a full-speedway competition with obstacle vehicles placed on the track - - which, sounds a lot like the old enduro.
Ask me questions, I’m here to answer. The speedway prides itself on having a series of great divisions for every skill and financial level (Chaos, Enduro, Truck, Super Stock, Modified, Late Model) all of which are open for business and provide the unmatched thrills of racing competition. Personally, I’ve gone to work contacting people I know to see if they’d be willing to help out with roll cages for new drivers to start to get some new blood into all these programs to really show how to put together a safe, fun car for competition. My expertise is with the Chaos Cars, but this is by no means the only division we would like to see grow.
We all have the same goal of building strong entry level divisions. Let’s work together on solutions and get some more new faces at the race track to join into the most fun you can have on four wheels.
-John Houghton
Announcer / PR
Delaware Speedway
(519) 652-5068 Ext 201
John, lets be honest, the chaos cars are not a racing division. They are a circus on wheels, they have there entertainment value but that is not as a race division.
John, lets be honest, the chaos cars are not a racing division. They are a circus on wheels, they have there entertainment value but that is not as a race division.
I would argue the same could be said of the "old-enduro" circa 1992, and that part of the modern shift in Enduro is, in fact, the shift from circus on wheels to more speed and rules more consistent with a racing event and to accommodate that quest for speed.
No: the chaos cars are not a foot to the floor racing division - - this is no secret. The rule book clearly states "these are not full race cars or speed machines", and encourages drivers who want to build those to run in any of the other excellent divisions (including Enduro). We have seen drivers move up to the upper series who got their feet wet in Chaos Cars. They may end up commenting in this thread, as they do pop on from time to time.
As a way of engaging here, explain to me the differences are between a modern chaos cars race (the previous two events) and a 1992 Enduro race, which is essentially the request this thread is making - -- a return of that type series.
The only differences I spot are:
a) Smaller cars (which were doing very well in this poll)
b) Stop box (which will be removed the more cars we get)
c) Barrel turn
d) Lap/car count - - both of which will go up the more cars the series gets.
e) The cars have better safety standards than a 1990 enduro.
The similarities are:
a) Obstacle cars on the speedway to control the speeds and increase challenge (old enduro was littered with these)
b) Red Flag rules (stop where you are for an incident)
c) Affordable Cars.
e) Emphasis on completing the event, not on modifying the car.
c) Easy to find vehicles.
In all seriousness, these questions are ones I want to discuss with this racing community. It seems at times Chaos Cars is not necessarily given a fair shake, because its "not real racing". The same, however I have heard said about the Old Enduro series of the past - - which is what this thread is trying to revive, and what the drivers of Chaos Cars have already been working to revive slowly and gradually since their arrival.
heres a thought 6 or less!!
I believe 6 Cylinders or less is the way to go as well. Your typical Sunfire or Intripid will cost you $300 and another $300 for safety gear. Racing for $600 is possible, just like the old days.
We saw a well prepared and driven 90's Malibu win overall at Peterboro Saturday night. And a twin cam Saturn led for the longest time. I don't think any V8 ever led a single lap. I think it was a glimpse of the future of enduro.