i'm not sure how the voting will turn out but i have a couple of thoughts...

although i didn't make any comments about spelling or grammer, i cringed everytime i noticed the mistakes and thought the same as other people wrote.  it wasn't because i think he is a lessor human being for those errors, i cringed in sympathy for him, because i know that he has a passion for it and is trying to make it seem as professional as the big series but no matter it makes it seem unprofessional with those errors and then worse even in his response.  bottom line that stuff wasn't overlooked by his audience, so it needs to be taken care of....period.

some people are a little more blunt than i am but he should have learned the first time it was brought up.
that goes for any track website or series website and even with you Evan on this site because you are the official spokesperson and you represent this site and you would like to make potential advertisers think that you pay attention to detail as part of being a good manager. we know you are good but to others this is their first impression.

look at kawarthas website...in the write up on the main page there are question marks all over the place.
i know that kawartha is a nice track which seems to have a professional appearance when i'm there but if i was a potential sponsor and i saw that i would not want to give my money to a track because if they don't take the time to make that write up look professional that is available to anyone who gives a damn about the track, are they going to take the time to make sure my needs as a sponsor are met?  is my business name going to be spelled right?

Sunset's website has been just ruined in the last year, my sponsors name was spelled wrong all year, others were butchered enough that the actual type of business changed.  We used to have some statistics and we could look back on all our old results...not anymore.  how can we take a step backward on the website and expect to move forward and grow the track when the website is the only way that anyone from far away can see what the track is about...

barrie offers a "sponsorship primer" sheet with a spelling mistake.  good idea but no attention to detail which results in a bush league appearance to potential sponsors

the guy from delaware or flamboro sent greg m. at inside track news an illegible list of award winners leaving out a couple of divisions and greg posted it as is and it showed how brutal a situation it is at that track.  can't remember which one it was but somebody does out there.  greg m couldn't have fixed it because it was chicken scratch.

the cayuga debacle......need i say more?

It seems like the track and series owners are contributing to their own difficulties and the passionate race fans and participants are being frustrated by the simplest good business practices being ignored by most and they know it will lead to more of the same crap and it hinders the growth and perception of the sport to those outside of it.  We are all begging for a better product when it comes to canadian racing as racers and fans and are being ignored

if mid is representing the OSS and is partnered with CRO he can't be emotional in his public communication or conversations, especially CRO!  that is hard for him i'm sure because he is putting his heart and soul into it but he has to put on another hat when he interacts with those in the media and on public message boards.  behind the scenes to those you trust say what you like.  but you have to crawl before you walk and mid got what he asked for by using this medium for his press releases and not taking the time to calculate the intelligence of the racing crowd  and setting himself up for this.  If he's been around the racing scene so long he should know what he's gonna have to deal with...

i didn't know about this site or the OSS 6 months ago and i came on here to see some sunset/barrie trash talking and now i'm here everyday because this is where you find out about racing and what's happening because the tracks don't tell us anything and don't update their websites or work with each other.  I like that things are talked about and or dissected on here and that's what keeps me coming back. It was the controversy that led me to hear about it though.

This site is good for Canadian Racing because it lets us as racers/fans express their views about perceived or real BS we've been dealing with and raises ideas and improvements.....you just have to play by the rules and if you don't you lose the privilege, bottom line. 

If the track owners would pull there heads out of there behinds they would realize that there are a whole bunch of people doing their marketing and promotional research right here on this site and there are a tonne of good ideas and opinions that come from here including constructive criticism, which is also good for the racing scene even if it hurts sometimes. 

i must say i'm interested in the OSS now even though i didn't agree with mids way of handling things and i bet there are alot more people on here now because of what has transpired so i guess any publicity is good publicity and that's a good reason why things shouldn't change IMO.

My advice would be to hold your course and get more moderators to deal with the increased number of people and accept that you will always be dealing with problems just hopefully not ones who are supposed to be your parter.  As the site grows so do the problems so i would accept it as part of the beast you've created.

BTW thank you for creating this beast, keep it up, happy new year

Keep at it guys, without change there is no progress and your recent addition of the moderators is working.

I heard this somewhere before and it applies to both the moderators and all tech people anywhere,
The dog chain is only as good as it's anchor point

username, I couldn't have said it better myself. The best post I have read in weeks.

It seems like the track and series owners are contributing to their own difficulties and the passionate race fans and participants are being frustrated by the simplest good business practices being ignored by most and they know it will lead to more of the same crap and it hinders the growth and perception of the sport to those outside of it.  We are all begging for a better product when it comes to Canadian racing as racers and fans and are being ignored.

Right on the mark with that statement !

ps I will post some Kawartha rumors, speculation and news in the next couple of days.

Well put username.

CRO was build on users being able to express their views but somewhere in the last year it seemed to get more personal and not a discussion.

I got a great bunch of mods to help me out and we are getting more order into the forums.

I have gotten so many people sending me Pm's to say they are happy to see we are putting our foot down and taking action. I feel more users will come back to the site as they now feel safe to post as we now have a code of conduct that protects them from being attacked on the site and this was a big problem in the past.

Yes we have a couple saying that Dave should be allowed back on but I have to stick with the ruling.

I could see if he just swore at them but threats is where we have to say your gone. People keep saying some of them got what they deserved. This is not true no one should be threatened. If he swore at them and told them off in one email fine as some did get what they deserved.

A lot of members were warned in this little dispute and no one was singled out. I still can't believe I had to deal with all this in the holiday season.

I will let you all in a little secret when thissite get to the point that I'm going to lose it I walk away from it as I know we all have lives and can think of better things to do today then keep on trying to figure out went wrong here. We have to move on as we always have.